Thursday, 1 February 2018

Interview with Lannie Rose


Monika: Today it is my pleasure and honour to interview Elaine Rhodes, a.k.a., Lannie Rose, an American computer engineer and writer, graduate of the University of California at Berkeley and Santa Clara University. In her day, she was a regular contributor to the e-zine Transgender Forum, a member of the Triangle Speaker Bureau, the author of “How To Change Your Sex: A Lighthearted Look at the Hardest Thing You'll Ever Do” (2004), “LANNIE! My Journey from Man to Woman” (2007), and “Everything Nice: A Late-Onset Coming-of-Age Story” (2009). Hello Lannie!
 Lannie: Hi Monikia! Your website is an impressive body of work, as well as being nicely-designed, and I say this as one Web designer to another. I am happy to become part of it! 
Monika: Before we get started, could you please explain about your name? Are you Elaine, or Lannie, or what?
Lannie: Yeah, uh, well, it’s like this: Early in the Internet days, in the late 1990s, there was a lot fear about people online tracking you down and murdering you in your sleep, so nobody used their real names. Nobody actually got murdered in their sleep, by the way. 
Anyway, I became Lannie Rose at that time, and it stuck. When it came time to legally change my name, I went from Edward Rhodes to Elaine Rhodes, keeping the same initials, you know?
Now-a-days most people know me as Lannie, which I explain as a diminutive of Elaine, though that can just be confusing because of the pronunciation. It is Lannie like your fannie, or your granny!
Monika: All right then. Moving along… For most of my audience you are known as a writer. However, you can boast a brilliant professional career of computer engineer … 
Lannie: “Brilliant,” huh? Lynn Conway, she’s brilliant. Me, I’m just another worker in the Silicon Valley mines. I spent most of my career doing hardware engineering: chips, ASICs, boards, systems.
Glamour shot.
When I transitioned at age 45, my hardware engineering skills declined precipitously — at least so it seemed, from how I was treated. Whether that was because I was now a woman, or they just thought of me as a crazy trans person, I don’t know. But I was sick and tired of hardware engineering anyway, and the surface-mount parts got too small for my aging, clumsy hands to handle, so I was happy to end that phase of my career.
I worked my way into software via a detour through technical writing and product management. I’ve been writing Web applications for the last 10 years and it’s a blast. For the last few years, I’ve been able to work from the comfort of my couch in my living room, in my beautiful home in the Santa Cruz redwoods in northern California.
Monika: It is amazing to see so many talented transgender women working for the IT business, just to mention: Lynn Conway, Jessica Bussert, Danielle Hallett, Kate Craig-Wood, Rebecca Heineman, Megan Wallent or yourself…
Lannie: Thanks, but again, just a worker in the mines… I am grateful for the middle-class white male privilege that made growing this career fairly easy. Well, not so grateful for the “male” part, but aware and grateful for all the benefit I got from it. I feel bad for so many of my trans sisters who remain unemployed or struggle financially. 
Monika: It has been nine years since you wrote “Everything Nice: A Late-Onset Coming-of-Age Story”. Are you working on any new projects now?
Lannie: No new projects. I pretty much shot my wad with three and a half memoirs – I milked my life for all it’s worth! I would love to write fiction but I guess I just don’t have the imagination for it, and I’m too lazy to research and write serious non-fiction. It’s kind of fun to have this chance with you to milk my story one more time!
Monika: Your first book “How To Change Your Sex: A Lighthearted Look at the Hardest Thing You'll Ever Do” (2004) was one of the very first books that portrayed transition in a humorous and “lighthearted” way …
Lannie: Heck, I had blast transitioning, as you know if you’ve read my books. I squeezed all my adolescent-girl partying into a single year, so when I wrote the book as I neared the end of my transition, it felt very natural to approach it lightheartedly.
Besides, being trans is not “The Worst Problem in the World,” as I discuss in a chapter of that title. A lot of people have to deal with much worse, as I see things. For that matter, one young trans person scoffed at the title of the book and told me, “Being trans is easy – learning to surf is hard!” 
Available via Amazon.
Monika: “LANNIE! My Journey from Man to Woman” (2007) was slightly different. More focus on your personal experience …
Lannie: Yes, when all was said and done, I noticed a pattern of personal growth through my books. “How To Change Your Sex” is all about the process and very little about me, because my self-esteem was too low to believe anyone would be interested in my life. Then with “Lannie,” I had the nerve and self-esteem to write about me – but only me as a girl.
Finally, a while after I completed transitioning, the whole arc of my life started to make sense, and I put it all into “Everything Nice: A Late-Onset Coming of Age Story.” By the way, you can download all my books and podcasts for free from my website www.lannierose.com.
Monika: You said “three and a half memoirs.” What is half about?
Lannie: Okay. When I first started transitioning – when I first started taking my cross-dressing seriously – I had a lot of ideas and feelings bubbling up, as you do. I began writing up a bunch of little essays and stories that I posted on my website. It would have been a blog if there had been blogs back in those days.
Later, when I did my SRS, I had been laid off my job so I took a year off to recuperate and work on myself. AA and so on, you know. As I had time on my hands, it occurred to me to compile all my little essays into a book. So I did that. I titled it “Dirty Panties … and other thrilling tales of my sex change,” after the name of one of the chapters, and I shopped it around to publishers. Turns out I should have shopped “How To Change Your Sex” because I got close to 100 rejection letters, a few of which expressed interest in “How to Change.” Eventually a publisher picked up the manuscript. It turned out to be a rip-off scam vanity press, but that’s another story.
Anyway, the publisher’s editor persuaded me to heavily revise the manuscript, making it a lot more of a linear narrative, and also to add some pre-transition biographical content. And they gave it that lame-o title, “Lannie…” Sheesh, who the hell is Lannie? Why would anyone be interested in that? The publisher did get me one legitimate book review. The reviewer thought it read like a teenage girl’s diary. I of course took that as a great compliment!, but it was meant negatively.
I think they sold very few copies, but it’s hard to tell, because the publisher prefers not to send authors their residuals. Oh well, live and learn. I also have to admit that the field of books by older, well-off, white trans women had been getting pretty crowded, and the zeitgeist was changing – for the better – to more interest in young people transitioning, and trans people of color and poverty.
In any case, I’m convinced that “Dirty Panties” in its original form and title would have done better, but we’ll never know. By the way, you can get “Dirty Panties” from the website, but not “Lannie” because the publisher holds its copyright. To get back to the original question, I figure “Dirty Panties” counts as only half a book because it shares so much material with “Lannie.”
Available via Amazon.
Monika: Which aspects of your experience can be useful for other transwomen?
Lannie: As with most transition stories, the most useful thing is just seeing that it is do-able, and that it can and usually does have a happy ending. In fact, it’s really the same as every human story: The lesson is that you can must discover your true self and honor her.
Monika: Would you explain what you mean by your true self? Everybody uses that phrase, but nobody defines it.
Lannie: I know what you mean. When I first read wonderful Millie Brown’s wonderful “True Selves: Understanding Transsexualism--For Families, Friends, Coworkers, and Helping Professionals,” I was pre-pre-transition and I had no idea what it meant. I wondered, how can I be anything other than my true self? The answer is, I was not being my true self, I was being someone who I thought I was supposed to be, based on the values and expectations of others.
Your true self is who you would be if you felt completely free from outside influences, and you could choose to live however you like and everybody would automatically support your choices. Of course real life never works that way, but it is an important thought experiment to figure out who you really are, and then you can make whatever compromises are necessary in real life, while honoring your true self in your soul, and doing your best to actualize her in reality.
Monika: At what age did you transition into woman yourself? Was it a difficult process? 
Lannie: I was late-onset, late transitioning, which is to say that I had no idea and very few clues that I was transgender until my mid-forties. I began living full time as a woman at age 47. Was it difficult? Hell yes! But also scary, exciting, fun, remarkable, and ultimately essential.
As I mention at the end of “How To Change Your Sex,” how could a lazy person like me accomplish all that? The answer is: one day at a time, always focusing only on the next step, the journey not the destination. Heck, I wasn’t sure what the destination was until I got there. By the way, I am 62 now – but it’s a young 62. I always say that you get back 10 years when you transition. Ha!
Monika: At that time of your transition, did you have any transgender role models that you followed?
Lannie: My serious crossdressing days were in the late 90s, when the Internet meant AOL. My early role models were the photos of cross-dressers and trans women I found through AOL. Later, when I discovered and got up the nerve to join the trans community, which was centered around Carla’s shop in San Jose, I met the famous and generous Jamie Faye Fenton, who became my role model and pal and party-partner. She was the perfect spirit-guide for me.
Monika: Are there are any transgender ladies that you admire and respect now?
Lannie: All of them! Especially the very young transitioners like Jazz Jennings, and trans people of color, like Laverne Cox. People in the trans community – trans women and men, crossdressers, allies – are just the greatest people in the world. It is an honor and privilege to call them my community.
Available via Amazon.
Monika: We all pay the highest price for the fulfilment of our dreams to be ourselves. As a result, many trans women lose their families, friends, jobs, and social positions. Did you pay such a high price as well? What was the hardest thing about your coming out?
Lannie: By far the hardest thing for me was trying to date after I transitioned and did SRS. It took me a while to get the message that, as a trans women, I am simply sexually undesirable to large majority of men. No one was overtly cruel to me, but the rejection when I would come out as trans, even when expressed in the kindest possible way, was emotionally brutal for me.
It worked out okay, though, because I entirely lost my sex drive with my SRS – my body simply will not get turned on. Not really unusual for a woman of my age, by the way. So sex has simply had no place in my life for the last decade. But it’s worse than that. Sex aside, you’ve got the choice of being alone or having a partner. In my life as a dude, I always had a hard time finding girlfriends. I mostly inhabited the dreaded “friend zone.” 
Now, as a woman desiring a male partner, I’ve got the same problem but in spades, because of the trans rejection thing. It’s like they say, the problems you had before transition are the same ones you’ll have after. I’m just able to cope with them better by dint of being sober, comfortable in my gender, and having grown spiritually. I’ve dealt with this particular problem the way many trans women do: I am partnered with another trans woman.
Monika: The transgender cause is usually manifested together with the other LGBTQ communities. Being the penultimate letter in this abbreviation, is the transgender community able to promote its own cause within the LGBTQ group?
Lannie: I deal with being the penultimate letter by calling the group LGBTQQIIAAA. Oh damn, now I’m the final letter, Assexual!
Seriously, the way for the trans community to promote its cause is the same way our gay brothers and sisters made marriage equality the law of the land in the United States: by coming out and telling our stories. This business with the trans bathrooms bills is bad, but it has the silver lining that a lot of trans kid’s stories are getting out there because of it. 
Another glamour shot.
When I was cross-dressing in the 90s, I didn’t know any trans people, and wasn’t even sure I believed they existed. I think everybody knows about trans people now – thanks, Caitlyn Jenner! I also see the LGs being a lot more inclusive of the Bs and Ts (and QQIIAAAs) these days, and many media figures are as well. We are winning!
I think we’ll see real progress on our critical issues of violence, poverty, unemployment, and health care over the next decade as these trends continue.
Monika: Do you participate in any lobbying campaigns? Do you think transgender women can make a difference in politics?
Lannie: I’m afraid I’m that post-op cliché: I don’t really participate the in community at all anymore. Now and then I get e-mails from other transitioning women, and I’m always happy to hear from them and provide some support and encouragement, but that’s about it. I found that having cancer was a great way to stop obsessing over being trans! 
Monika: OMG, cancer? How are you?
Lannie: It was a little throat cancer 10 years ago, and I appear to be all clear now. Thank God!
Monika: Do you like fashion? What kind of outfits do you usually wear? Any special fashion brands, colours or trends?
Lannie: Ha! Post-op transsexual, remember? I haven’t worn a skirt in a decade. These days I’m jeans and t-shirt, no make-up, no jewelry, short hair. The photo accompanying this article is recent, but it is touched up with some software make-up!
I remember when I first started transitioning, I met a post op who was much the same as I am now. I couldn’t understand why she wasn’t wearing short skirts and tons of make-up, but I was wise enough to keep my wonderment to myself. The thing is, transition cures gender dysphoria. Now I take my gender totally for granted, just like cis-people, and feel no need to enhance or exhibit it.
Also there is that assexual thing, I’m not trying to attract lovers! In fact, having seen things from both sides and the middle, what with the current #MeToo movement, I kind of see fashion and make-up as part of rape culture more than anything else. Is that too dark? 
Monika: Uh, yeah, that’s pretty dark. Let’s try this: I have read somewhere that cisgender women were liberated thanks to the development of the contraceptive pill, whereas transgender women are free now thanks to the development of cosmetic surgery, so they are no longer prisoners of passing or non-passing syndrome …
Lannie: It’s an interesting analogy, but I don’t think it holds up very deeply. 90+ percent of women use the pill, but I think the percent of trans women who get cosmetic surgery is much lower, if for no other reason then that many cannot afford it.
Even more, I’d like to see much less emphasis on the surgery aspect of of transitioning, and more on self-acceptance and spiritual growth, and on society accepting us whether or not we pass. But then again, I’m probably full of shit because I most certainly benefited from cosmetic surgery!
Lannie's home in the Santa Cruz redwoods.
Monika: What do you think about transgender beauty pageants?
Lannie: I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Ru Paul’s Drag Race? I never watched, not sure why, but it seems to me that drag has only a small intersection with the transsexual experience. If regular trans folks are having beauty pageants, I don’t know, it’s probably a good thing. When you are transitioning or finding your way toward transitioning, appearance is very important for establishing your identity in your new gender role.
It’s important to see yourself in your true gender, and to have others see you as that too. Beauty pageants could be a good tool for building self-confidence and strengthening gender identity. If they are being done within the trans community, I’m sure they are well intentioned and lacking most of the problems many have with traditional cis pageants.
Monika: Could you tell me about the importance of love in your life?
Lannie: Frankly, not very important. I have no children, my family is the opposite of close-knit, and I don’t see much of my few heart friends. I’m pretty much of a loner. As I mentioned, I don’t even go into an office, I work from home.
I’ve been quite introverted my whole life – not necessarily shy, but just preferring the inner life in my mind to the outer. At this point in my life, I’m just giving in and wallowing in it. I’d be happy if it changes someday, but for now, that’s it.
Monika: What would you recommend to all transgender girls struggling with gender dysphoria?
Lannie: Rocky Horror Picture Show: Don’t dream it, be it! But also I would repeat that hoary transsexual wisdom: Do not transition unless you absolutely have to. Transition will not solve your problems, but it may be something you need to get past just to be able to work on the other issues.
Also, if you do transition, do not automatically assume SRS has to be part of it. More and more people are transitioning without SRS, and it is a totally legit path.
Lannie with red hair.
Monika: My pen friend Gina Grahame wrote to me once that we should not limit our potential because of how we were born or by what we see other transsexuals and transgender people doing. Our dreams should not end on an operating table; that’s where they begin. Do you agree with this?
Lannie: I very much agree with it! The story of just about every trans person I know is a life of sublimation prior to transition, be it with hobbies, manliness activities, sex, drugs, or, in my case, booze.
After I sobered up, transitioned, and had my SRS, for about a year I met with a small group of other post-ops. We fondly referred to ourselves as the Post-Toasties. It was all about coping with life after the operating table. Everybody finds it to be tough.
You see, we spent all those years teaching ourselves to be unhappy, and being satisfied with being unhappy. It is not easy to turn that around. Of course, I speak from the perspective of a late transitioner.
I hope that people transitioning very young these days are spared much of this grief. Anyway, about a year after my SRS, I whined to my therapist, “I’ve done everything, and I’m still desperately unhappy! Please tell me, what can I do? I’ll try anything you say.” She recommended two things: One, anti-depressants, which for some reason I had always resisted, and two, going to Alcoholics Anonymous. It took me about a year of intensive work with those two aids, and exploring many other avenues of spiritual growth, before the sunlight broke through my clouds. Since then, I’ve felt pretty content with my life, even going through cancer and the deaths of both of my parents. Life is pretty good, without gender dysphoria!
Monika: Lannie, thank you for the interview!
Lannie: Thanks, Monika. I enjoyed it. I hope your readers do too! 

All the photos: courtesy of Lannie Rose. 
Done on 1 February 2018
© 2018 - Monika 

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  2. This was a very interesting interview Monika, Thanks

    BTW, I have been trying to feminize my voice. I did a research and discovered that it is possible to feminize your voice without another excruciating surgery. I searched around and found this tutorial: http://bit.ly/2PKkjjd (Sorry I don’t know if I am allowed to post links or not). It is a set of easy to follow at home exercises. It looks interesting and the testimonies are inspiring. I like to know your opinion, do you think it is useful? (I did study some research papers and their claim seems legit)

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