Monika: Today it is my pleasure and honour to interview Prof. Deirdre Nansen McCloskey, a well-known American economist, historian, and rhetorician, LGBTQ activist, the author of 17 books and over 400 scholarly pieces on topics ranging from technical economics and statistical theory to transgender advocacy, including the biographical book titled “Crossing: A Memoir” (2000). For more information about her academic career, see deirdremccloskey.com.
Monika: In one of your articles, you elaborated on the way how economics is influenced by the male perception of the world and market, and called for more female approach to this science. Do women understand the economic challenges better than men?
Who you are is not the same as whom you love, or wish to have sex with. I love my dog! Bailey's own "research" consisted of hanging out in a bar in north Chicago with six gender-crossing prostitutes (he dropped one of them from the "sample" because she became a real estate agent instead).
|“Crossing: A Memoir” (2000) available via Amazon.|
From the left, the editions in the following languages: English, Japanese, and Italian.
Partly it was professional, to explain to my colleagues in economics and history. And partly it was political, to defend other gender crossers and assorted queers. I had in the 1950s and 1960s the correct views against segregation and in favor of Black civil rights, but didn't do much. I had in the 1970s and 1980s the correct views against discrimination against women and gays and the handicapped and colonial people, but I didn't do much.
|Deirdre with cast member at Cage au|
Fol show in Iowa City, 1997.
Prof. McCloskey: Oh, yes. Avoid the operation and do the vocal training.
Monika: Your business trip to Australia, where you were asked to give lectures, coincided with your meticulous plan for undergoing GRS there. Was it symbolic?
|From Donald to Deirdre: name changing day.|
Monika: The transgender community is said to be thriving now. Teenage girls become models and dancers, talented ladies become writers, singers, and actresses. Those ladies with interest in politics, science, and business become successful politicians, academics, and businesswomen. What do you think in general about the present situation of transgender women in the American society? Are we just scratching the surface or the change is really happening?
Prof. McCloskey: Oh, it's really happening. When I transitioned twenty years ago people thought of it as sex, sex, sex. My wife thought I would become a prostitute. Now, people do not think that way. But liberalism can be reversed—as again Polish people do not need to be told. Weimar Berlin was highly tolerant of all sorts of queerness, and then . . .
So the defense of liberty requires eternal vigilance. If Poland falls back into fascism, as Hungary has, watch out. The Catholic Church in Poland, like the Orthodox in Russia, has not been helpful.
The people I thought would have a hard time, such as my mother or my brother or my colleagues in economics, had no problem. People I thought would find it easy, such as my wife or my sister or my colleagues in history, did have a problem.
Sadly, as I mentioned, my marriage family has rejected me. My two children have not spoken to me for 21 years. I have three grandchildren I have never seen. But into each life some rain must fall. Aside from that, the news is good. And even if I had known that my wife and children would reject me, I would have gone ahead, sad but determined.
Monika: The transgender cause is usually manifested together with the other LGBTQ communities. Being the last letter in this abbreviation, is the transgender community able to promote its own cause within the LGBTQ group?
Monika: What do the recent political changes in the US mean for the transgender cause? The previous President was very supportive to the LGBTQ community …